The Thoughts of Ryan-C

Well that obviously raises the question of:”If God wants all people to be healed and suffer, than why doesn’t he heal them? Or why did Job (who was incredibly righteous) suffer? Why does Paul call us to suffer as Christ suffered?

Basically it all started at the garden of Eden. When God created man he gave us free choice. Right now you can turn your head and blink if you want to, you can do pretty much anything. And with that freedom came the choice to sin by disobeying God’s first commandment. When Adam and Eve took the fruit and ate it they sowed into sin, and what was reaped from that choice was death, sickness, a life of toil etc…

The concept of sowing and reaping is used many times in the bible. To illustrate financial concepts such as tithing and what not. However it also applies to healing. If you sin than the result of that sin is sickness and death.

This is why Job suffered. If you look in Job 3:25 it says “For the thing that I have feared has come upon me, and what I have dreaded has happened to me.” (NKJV)
Job feared what happened to him, in fact he “greatly” feared. That doesn’t sound like he was a little concerned that he could lose everything, but that it was a constant huge fear. By fearing Job gave the devil a legal right to come and afflict him. He sowed into fear, and he reaped suffering. A suffering that could have been avoided if he had trusted in God and not listened to the lies of the devil that caused him to fear.

Everywhere in the bible where Christians are told that we should suffer with Jesus, the word suffer is not to suffer physical pain but to suffer persecution or rejection for being a Christian. If I go to China and proclaim that I am a Christian, than I’m going to be persecuted and probably thrown into prison or whatever.

See, there is a lie that has been spoken into the church that tells us God “allows” sickness on us that he can teach us to be more like him. If we’re disobeying him than he allows the devil to inflict us with something. He uses to devils sicknesses to teach us lessons on how to be like Jesus.

In Isaiah 53:4-5 the prophet Isaiah proclaimed these words. ”
4 Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed. ”

The word grief in that passage literally means sickness and and the word sorrows literally means pain.

So Jesus suffered for our sicknesses and pain so that we could suffer to become more like Jesus? That doesn’t make sense. Why don’t you just start beating yourself up so that you could be more like Jesus by tomorrow. Intensive care rooms would be incredible places of angelic visitations and what not, because people are being conformed into the image of Christ. No thats just dumb.

Why would Jesus pay the price for our healing and then the Father allow sickness on us? If that were true, than it would be a divided house and everything you believe as a Christian would be false.
Did Jesus ever approach someone and then say “Oh wow. I’m sorry but I can’t heal you, because my father is using this disease to teach you something”? How can you go to a hospital and tell someone who has a terminal illness, “hey God wants you to suffer, so just enjoy the ride”?
If you caused your child to become ill as a form of punishment you would be called abusive. So why do we put this role on the Father who has perfect love?

In Acts 10:38 Peter preaches “how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.”

Jesus healed ALL, that means EVERYBODY. And there was no confusion as to the origin of the affliction. It was all from the devil, there was no doubt.
Jesus only did what He saw the Father do, and only said what He heard the Father say, and Jesus healed EVERYbody. There should be no doubt.

Jesus even taught us to pray: “Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven…”
Does sickness exist in heaven? does pain exist in heaven? No, not at all.
Jesus even says “your will be done” How much clearer can it get, God’s will is that all should be healed.

2. Stop making love to Joel Osteen.

3. I love how you take scripture out of context.
“Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven…” means that Jesus wants God’s WILL to be done on earth AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. He wants Gods will to be done… not for earth to be like heaven.. that won’t happen for a while (depending on your eschatology lol). No where does it say, and earth will be like heaven if you pray this prayer and sickness will cease for those who love me… its a prayer about God’s will, not about earth = heaven…. and if you say it is God’s will for everyone to be rich and healthy, then you have a very ignorant theology.

4. “So Jesus suffered for our sicknesses and pain so that we could suffer to become more like Jesus? ” Where does it say that Jesus suffered for our earthly physical pain? Oh wait, the Bible doesn’t say that because this is a bunch of BS. Jesus died to SAVE sinners from SIN. One of my pastors has HIV/AIDs…. so basically if God doesn’t heal him miraculously then he must be a horrible sinner and will die a painful death in vain? No, God is using his life as a testament to His glory. If your God only heals those who live pure then your God is very distant from the God of the Bible. Also the Bible doesn’t say “Christians are healthy and rich because I love them more than those filthy pagans.”

5. “However it also applies to healing. If you sin than the result of that sin is sickness and death.” You got the second half right, but the first is horribly wrong. The wages of sin is death! Yay! You know some scripture! But God does not say that good works = healing and that righteous living equal exemption from pain. Your god is bitter and is out to force Christians to follow his way or else he will punish them. God doesn’t care about matters of the flesh, He is concerned with matters of the heart.

6. Your interpretation of Job is probably the most laughable concept I have heard concerning that book… God plainly states why he allows for the pain in Job’s life.
-To go against what God/the Bible says is to clearly believe a lie of Satan, so you should be expecting to get hepatitis in a few days.
-God clearly states that Job was an upright and blameless man, who feared him and turned away from evil (Job 1:8)
-The purpose for God allowing Job to suffer is clear. God does it for the glory of His own name. Satan bets him that Job will desert God if he loses his blessings and God says “No Satan, Job loves me and knows me and he will glorify me until the end… no matter how bad I let you make it, I will be glorified” Your crappy nit-picking of scripture in order to prove your crap-filled gospel is clearly disproved by the WORDS OF GOD. *You better repent soon and I can see a tumor in your future*

7. So I’m pretty sure we are called to be like Jesus, but I guess your Jesus isn’t the homeless Jesus of the Bible… you have the Jesus that wears a pink robe, drinks herbal tea, drives a cabriolet while listening to the Spice Girls, trying to make people feel ‘good’ so that they can be as comfortable as he is. I’m pretty sure Jesus told us not to store up treasures on earth, but store them in heaven and that we can’t love both God and money because they conflict *Matt 6:19-25*(this does not mean that if we love God then money will show up, because if we use that logic, then if we love money then God will show up).